Debate On the Problem of Peak Energy
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TOPIC: A full and open debate on the problem of peak energy is urgently needed.
Posted by: Supplanter
« on: November 12, 2006, 11:35:13 PM »
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A full and open debate on the problem of peak energy is urgently needed.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ENG408A.html
Who is up to discussing the Oil-energy Issue's?
It will take an open mind and will make you think, which is dangerious, but necessary to face the past as well as the future issues of the energy needs and shortfalls in America by as early as 2010.
I have spent a lot of time researching and the more I research the more I see a pattern developing I didn't believe and don't like.
Please read the article and post anything you find in regards to this topic that you wish to discuss, but lets try not to make it political.
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Posted by: Congregator
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2006, 03:29:38 PM »
Open debate? and open minds? What a concept!
There
is no "Peak Energy", nor "Peak Oil". What has peaked is the intellect
of the American population due to the "Dumming Down" process which has
enslaved the minds of our younger generations increasingly since the
federal government has taken full control of public education, most
notably in the late 1940's.
Neither is the problem a political one nor is it a religious problem. It is a social problem of unbelievable complexity,
and after many years of trying to get a handle on it, I finally
discovered the source of the New Age Plan where they describe in their
own words the course of action that would be necessary to destroy every
vestige of the old social/political order. The "issues" which are
drummed into the heads of the American people are total fabrications of
"Agents of the Hierarchy". The Hierarchy is evil demonic spirit
creatures, and their agents are their human accomplices. Again, this is
not about religion. Its about world domination and absolute control. It
that sense, it has certain political characteristics, but it is a
totally different animal than anything the world has ever experienced.
The UN is not it, but a component as is Zionism. All governments, even
the protaganists are in lock step with The Plan, notwithstanding their
differences.
The publishing of Alice Bailey's book,
"Externalization of the Hierarchy" in 1957 set in motion a subtle but
powerful process of "Social Disorganization" for the stated and well
publicized purpose of destroying the "Establishment". It manifested as
the counter-cultural revolution in the 1960, and after the counter
culture itself faded from memory in the mid 1970, coinciding with the
ending of the Vietnam War, everyone thought things would soon get back
to normal. Normal did not return however, because the New Age Plan
which Bailey had spelled out in great detail was taken public. It had
already been operating in secret by agents of the hierarchy for many
years, particularly since the mid 1930's when Bailey was most active.
"The
Plan" is the single responsible factor for everything which we see on
the social/political landscape today. I just recently discovered that
Zionism is also a fundamental component of The Plan. The New Age
Movement claims it is not a movement because there is no identifiable
leader nor is there any of the trappings of organization, so denial is
easy, but very dangerous.
I have written more about this in my latest article, "Zionism and New Age Communitarianism", and elaborated still more in the "Comments" page.
I fully support open minded discussion on this forum. My philosophy on learning new knowledge is well documented on my website. Briefly stated, it is this: "We
need to be open to accept, not new indoctrination, but rather new
knowledge. Indoctrination you can get just about anywhere. Knowledge
has to be gotten the "old fashioned way" you earn it by hard labor of
your own." That means that I don't ask anyone to take my word for
anything. I have no interest in a new church or a political party. My
interest is singular, and it is to discover the truth and make it my
own. I have no interest in indoctrinating others with what I have
found, but I am keenly interested in promoting the idea of individually
doing our own search, and discussing our discoveries.
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Posted by: Supplanter
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2006, 04:03:59 PM »
Oh its the OIL alright, but there intentions is not to take it, but to control it.(see food for oil)
It will remain there until the need arrises.
Snippet.....
U.S. not Interested in Iraqi Oil, Rumsfeld Tells Arab World
By Kathleen T. Rhem
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, Feb. 26, 2003 -- Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
dismissed as "utter nonsense" the notion that the United States is
after Iraqi oil.
"The only idea we have for the region is that it not be producing
weapons of mass destruction and it not be invading its neighbors and
that it be peaceful," Rumsfeld said. He added that the United States
also wants to see an Iraq where the citizens can "figure out how they
want to run their country free of a dictator like Saddam Hussein."
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"You don't see people demonstrating in Iraq," he said. "You don't see
people demonstrating against the government in Iraq because they'll be
killed." End Snippet......
Related Site of Interest:
DoD News Transcript: Secretary Rumsfeld Interview With Al Jazeera TV, Feb. 25, 2003
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Feb2003/n02262003_200302267.html
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Posted by: Congregator
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2006, 04:44:59 PM »
I
agree that the "issue" in Iraq is oil. I said from the beginning that
they wanted control of the oil, not so that it could flow freely, but
to control the spiqot to conserve the resource. That is completely in
step with The Plan. Millions of people, including many leaders, are
drawn into support of the agenda for their own selfish reasons. That's
the way deception works. Thats why we see the worst in people at every
social level over the past several decades, from the disintergration of
the family to out of control governments.
Find the link to "Social Disorganization" Here.
This is a scanned copy of a book in my personal library. Its a work in
process, but you can get a sense of the magnitude of the scope from the
contents.
When you compare the contents of this book with
Bailey's writing, and consider the copyright and publication dates,
then stand it up beside that interval of history, it becomes clear that
social disorganization is a major part of The Plan.
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Posted by: Deeder
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2006, 09:23:59 PM »
Do you also believe in The Order of which Alice Bailey was a member? I believe the Vatican to part of this group.
Dede
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Posted by: Congregator
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2006, 10:32:36 PM »
When
you say, "Do you also believe", the implication is that I believe
something. What do you mean? I have stated my understanding of source
material which appears to be in agreement with the facts. It isn't
really a question of belief.
"The Plan" is demonic. Bailey
doesn't claim authorship. Her source was a fictional Tibetan. It was in
fact channeled through her.
Bailey was a Theosophist, but the
"world aspirants" she addressed are everywhere in every institution.
For the most part, they are members of secret societies, and yes, they
are in the Vatican.
"Worried that "hegemonic" liberalism’s
"atomistic tendencies" will attenuate the "inherited beliefs and
practices," that compete with it, the writers in Catholicism and
Liberalism collaborate in fashioning a Catholic version of the
politically fashionable communitarian "alternative".
~ On Catholic Communitarianism Review by Dominic A. Aquila
"Pope
John Paul's great vision of communitarianism and a New Global Order has
yet to receive the recognition it deserves in furthering the
understanding that humanity is built on religious values, without which
transformations in totalitarian regimes would have been impossible. The
essence of communitarianism, as put forth by the Vatican, consists of
seeking middle ground between Marxist collectivism and rigid
individualism and capitalism." ~ Communitarianism, the Vatican, and the New Global Orde
The
Pope was/is in lock step with the New Age agenda to destroy the old
established order by balancing "Marxist collectivism and rigid
individualism". For an individual such a balance does not and cannot
exist. This "balance" is the communitarian method as put forth by
George Washington University professor Amitai Etzioni, the guru of
communitarianism.
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Posted by: Deeder
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2006, 11:54:11 PM »
I suppose I use the word believe as you use the word understanding in this context. I see the difference as you have pointed out. Does any of your understanding of The Plan which is being carried out all around us and pretty much in full view include the Count Hans Klovenbach, ie. the black Pope? Is this another diversionary tactic or does his existence have some role in all of this? I understand that this is a spiritual undertaking and that many people do not have an undertanding of the existence of that presence here on earth.
I hope you will take into consideration my willingness to have a better understanding of what is happenning in the world and that my lack of higher education may get in the way of expressing myself on your level. My belief level is much higher than my understanding.
Dede
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Posted by: Congregator
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2006, 10:28:33 AM »
If the words
believe and understand were correctly "understood", they would be
nearly synonymous, but that is not generally the case. The way most
people use the word belief implies "knowledge of fact". I cannot reply
until that matter is cleared, so thanks for bearing with me.
It
really makes little difference what we believe about The Plan or anyone
connected with it. What matters is whether or not we recognize the
evidence everywhere around us and form the associations which allow us
to understand that The Plan is going forward with the enabling
complicity of the vast majority of people in all walks of life from the
top down.
The "Black" Pope Count Hans Kolvenbach—The Jesuit’s General is thought by some to be The Most Powerful Man In The World.
It may be true, I don't know, but I'm not sure it matters. Figuring out
who is the most powerful man in the world is like asking who was the
Wizard of Oz. As with all men in such positions, a lot goes on that
they know about and some they do not know. That's the essence of
plausible deniability.
A lot of people have devoted a lot of
effort to understanding the power structure in the hope of naming names
and identifying the source of the problems. The outworking of the New
Age Plan reveals the futility of that approach. Like the "issues" which
we are bombarded with on a daily basis, studying them is like examining
the hairs on the leg of the elephant, the elephant being the New Age
Movement. Which way they lay, their color, their length, and their
relationship to each other, after all is said and done will tell us
nothing about the elephant.
A Bible prophecy (Daniel Chapter 4)
tells of a tree that grows to cover the entire earth, and wild birds
and animals of all descriptions find shelter in its branches. It should
be realized that global government is the main theme of the Bible, and
the issue is sovereignty and the right to rule. God claims sovereignty
by virtue of the fact that he created it. Satan claims it by virtue of
the fact that he was given charge over it before his rebellion. After
Satan's successful deception of Eve, Jesus Christ (seed of the woman,
Genesis 3:15) was given responsibility for securing God's interests.
The Plan is Satan's scheme for securing his objective. World government
is represented by the tree. the prophecy applied first to Babylonian
king Nebuchadnezzar, but after Babylon, world government passed on to a
line of successor world powers down to the present Anglo-American
Empire, and finally it will go to the communitarian style of global
governance now being implemented under The Plan. The UN Agenda 21
programs constitute the political aspects of The Plan. The spirituality
features are, in military jargon, the pacification program, to "pacify"
the people, in the same manner as smoke is used to pacify bees before
stealing their honey.
As indicated in the prophecy, Satan's Plan
will grow to fill the earth, which it is presently doing, then it will
be cut down and banded, never to grow again. This will be the end of
Satan's control over the Earth. "...and seven times shall pass over you
until you know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of men, and
He gives it to whomever He desires." The one he now "desires" to have
the kingdom is His first born Son Jesus Christ.
I am suggesting
that we should consider the foregoing as a rational understanding of
Satan's evil scheme to deceive people into support of his side of the
global sovereignty issue. Global government "shall be enduring to you
after you have realized that Heaven rules".
"This matter is by
the decree of the watchers, and the command by the word of the holy
ones, so that the living may know that the Most High rules in the
kingdom of men and gives it to whomever He will. And He sets up over
it the lowest of men." Daniel 4:17
Jesus Christ is God's choice
of ruler, but the "lowest of men" is now the ordinary common people.
This will not be anarchy because that is Satan's concept of freedom,
and it cannot work under his system. That's why he has adopted
Communitarianism which is control from the bottom up by majority rule.
Actually, its a pretty good look alike copy of God's kingdom design,
but its a counterfeit. Those living under God's kingdom will be those
who are comfortable with the fact that "the Most High is Ruler in the
kingdom of men". Rebellion will no longer be allowed to "ruin the
earth" (Revelation 11:18) as it has done for the past thousands of
years.
"And in the days of these kings, the God of Heaven shall
set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed. And the kingdom shall
not be left to other people. It shall break in pieces and destroy all
these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever." ~ Daniel 2:44
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Posted by: Deeder
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2006, 02:10:16 PM »
So now, more than ever it is important to be in the world, but not of the world as we go along our daily lives. And once you understand that some group or organization is part of Satan's Plan then you need not spend time studying it just to find out more about it and where it came from because it ultimately comes from Satan. That knoweldge is all we need to come to the understanding of what is happening. I had been using the analogy of all these little trees being thrown at us for deciphering to keep us busy and upset and from looking at the actual picture of the forrest. Far too many people are still studying the trees. (I myself have been guilty of it) I thought the more I could find out about the origination of these things the more enlightened I would be, but just knowing they are of Satan is enough.
Thank you for the in depth information. I thought I had put your website on my favourites, but I can't find it. Could you please list it again?
Dede
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Posted by: Congregator
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2006, 04:40:30 PM »
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Dede, now that you have a clear view of The Plan, it is no time for taking your ease. You need to remain ever vigilant and alert, because its a moving target. Also, the knowledge carries a responsibility, you need to tell others and help them in like manner.
My website is the little green dot just below my avatar.
Or in text form, it looks like this...
http://www.congregator.net/
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Posted by: Congregator
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2006, 06:32:13 PM »
Actually,
to the consternation of Supplanter I'm sure, I said very little about
oil. But of course that's the way truth naturally is, short and simple.
People may believe what they wish to believe, but the truth is that
Russia has devoped the processes and have in fact sunk the wells to the
necessary depths and have been taking the money to the bank in truck
loads. Even to the point to where they have retired every cent of the
old Soviet debt as well as their own, and now have billions ready to
loan at interest in direct competition with the World Bank.
And
that is the real reason for the negative propaganda we are being fed
about Russia through the communitarian "Public Journalism" channels.
The
"energy crisis" in its entirity, form the artificially low production,
and exorbitant prices to the supposed "End of oil" agitation is
consistant with, and indeed is, a product of the communitarian UN
Agenda 21 Sustainable Development program.
Peak Oil: Oil Baron's Nightmare, or Utopia's Wetdream?
For those who may not want to read it, I'll give you the answer, its a utopian wetdream.
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Posted by: jerry8
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2006, 08:53:39 PM »
excellent dialog... thanks for that.
personally... i would want to take names and hand out penalties, if possible. i don't think anyone should be allowed to do this to people. is that just a fantasy? will these people be dealt with one way or another? by someone or god? do you think the 2012 predictions are accurate and connected to pluto and the "cleansing effect?" any comment on michael tsarion?
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Posted by: jerry8
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2006, 09:02:21 PM »
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"We are oft to blame in this. 'Tis too much proved that with devotion's visage and pious action we do sugar o'er the devil himself."
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Posted by: Congregator
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2006, 11:12:20 PM »
I never heard of Michael Tsarion, but I just
Googled the name and got over 40,000 hits, the first one being his
website, taroscopes.com. I would say thats about all I need to see,
because taro reading is a form of divining or fortune telling, at least
thats the way it is genreally used. I have read however, that it
orginally served a more noble purpose, but I don't recall the details.
Such things as astrology, taro reading, palm reading, and many other
similar things are dangerous because they invite demonic spirits into
your life, and sometimes they take up residence.
Astrophysics
may be a real science, but often that too involves spiritistic
practices, which the Bible condemns. Space aliens, UFO's and other
cosmic paranormal phenomena, to the extent that they are real, are
secret government projects. 99% of what you see or read though is pure
bunk.
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"We
are oft to blame in this. 'Tis too much proved that with devotion's
visage and pious action we do sugar o'er the devil himself."
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This
is a true observation. Millions of New Ager's, many of them quite
unknowingly, routinely use language which refers to the Devil and/or
lessor demons. They use "Christ" a lot, but they are not talking about
Jesus. "Christ conscousness" is one example. What many call "God" is in
fact Lucifer. The name "Source", "Creator" and "Archetect of the
Universe" all refer to Lucifer within secret societies and the New Age
movement. Some really believe that Lucifer is God, and many others just
don't know what they are doing, but in any case, New Ager's do not mean
the Biblical God/Creator.
The bad news though is that their influence is pervasive throughout society.
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Posted by: jerry8
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2006, 11:27:26 PM »
thanks for your opinion. if anything i perceive him as "new age." would you provide any credibility to the myans and their predictions regarding 2012? their observations of a so called "galactic precession?"
yes, i can only imagine the cointelpro against knowledge of any real extraterrestrial entities.
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This is a true observation. Millions of New Ager's, many of them quite unknowingly, routinely use language which refers to the Devil and/or lessor demons. They use "Christ" a lot, but they are not talking about Jesus. "Christ conscousness" is one example. What many call "God" is in fact Lucifer. The name "Source", "Creator" and "Archetect of the Universe" all refer to Lucifer within secret societies and the New Age movement. Some really believe that Lucifer is God, and many others just don't know what they are doing, but in any case, New Ager's do not mean the Biblical God/Creator.
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all you have to do is look at their actions and see this is true.
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The bad news though is that their influence is pervasive throughout society.
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sure... when war and death are the desire of the people and it's leaders, something is wrong.
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Posted by: Congregator
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2006, 10:00:07 AM »
Whenever
you see language using terminology such as "cosmic force" "light
beings" "spiritual ascension", "Christ consiousmess", most things
"paranormal", "magical", "mericals", and many other such terms, this is
the New Age in action.
If you consider spiritual ascension for
example and follow it through to its logical conclusion, it is
essentually a death wish, because they believe that this is a process
through which they are refined and they will be reincarnated until they
finally become an "Ascended Master" such as one of their godfathers,
Krishnimurti, whom some of them first thought was the returned Christ.
The
really scary part is that they believe that the vast majority of the
present population is in the very early stages of this ascension
process and they desire to speed it up. Therefore, supporting the die
off of up to 90%, causing the death of 5 billion people, is their
highest call of duty.
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Posted by: Supplanter
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2006, 10:40:27 AM »
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Actually,
to the consternation of Supplanter I'm sure, I said very little about
oil. ...
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No,
not at all congregator, you've got the ball rolling so keep it going! If you remember it
was My post linked to your website that brought you to EZ, I agree with
most of your thinking.
I have always believed and refered to the scripture"
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while
some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced
themselves through with many sorrows.
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Posted by: jerry8
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2006, 11:06:35 AM »
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... I have always believed and the scripture " For the Love of Money IS the Root of all evil" Money being oil, gold, power, etc. to be the controlling factor Satan uses to snare man's lives.
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one big part of the "etc..." aspect of your observation is sex and entrapment... that is a tool they use all the time.
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Posted by: Congregator
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2006, 03:34:57 PM »
Supplanter, thanks for weighing in with your
support. I am introducing some extremely controversial information
which, strange as it may seem, applies to many, and I believe all of
our problems. Its a long story, far too much to be told in this format,
but today's attention spans will tolerate nothing more, and some are
choking on the small samples I post here. Its no wonder to me that my
articles are not being read more, but that isn't my problem, I'm only
the messenger.
I don't recall what brought me here, but thanks for the reminder, I appreciate what you did.
Thanks
for the scripture. Many people believe that "money is the root of all
evil", but it isn't. Its the "love of money". The worst part is that we
don't even have honest money, but people are so in love with the
almighty dollar which has no intrensic value at all, that they stop at
nothing to acquire as many of them as they can at any cost in human
suffering.
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Posted by: Congregator
« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2006, 03:59:04 PM »
The essence of the modern Russian-Ukrainian theory of deep, abiotic petroleum origins.
The
modern Russian-Ukrainian theory of deep, abiotic petroleum origins is
an extensive body of scientific knowledge which covers the subjects of
the chemical genesis of the hydrocarbon molecules which comprise
natural petroleum, the physical processes which occasion their
terrestrial concentration, the dynamical processes of the movement of
that material into geological reservoirs of petroleum, and the location
and economic production of petroleum. The modern Russian-Ukrainian
theory of deep, abiotic petroleum origins recognizes that petroleum is
a primordial material of deep origin which has been erupted into the
crust of the Earth. In short, and bluntly, petroleum is not a “fossil
fuel” and has no intrinsic connection with dead dinosaurs (or any other
biological detritus) “in the sediments” (or anywhere else).
The
modern Russian-Ukrainian theory of petroleum is based upon rigorous
scientific reasoning, consistent with the laws of physics and
chemistry, as well as upon extensive geological observation, and rests
squarely in the mainstream of modern physics and chemistry, from which
it draws its provenance. Much of the modern Russian theory of deep,
abiotic petroleum genesis developed from the sciences of chemistry and
thermodynamics, and accordingly the modern theory has steadfastly held
as a central tenet that the generation of hydrocarbons must conform to
the general laws of chemical thermodynamics, - as must likewise all
matter. In such respect, modern Russian-Ukrainian petroleum science
contrasts strongly to what are too often passed off as “theories” in
the field of geology in Britain and the U.S.A.
As will be
shown explicitly in a following articles, petroleum has no intrinsic
association with biological material. The only hydrocarbon molecules
which are exceptions to this point are methane, the hydrocarbon alkane
specie of lowest chemical potential of all hydrocarbons, and to a
lesser extent, ethene, the alkene of the lowest chemical potential of
its homologous molecular series. Only methane is thermodynamically
stable in the pressure and temperature regime of the near-surface crust
of the Earth and accordingly can be generated there spontaneously, as
is indeed observed for phenomena such as swamp gas or sewer gas.
However, methane is practically the sole hydrocarbon molecule
possessing such thermodynamic characteristic in that thermodynamic
regime; almost all other reduced hydrocarbon molecules excepting only
the lightest ones, are high pressure polymorphs of the hydrogen-carbon
system. Spontaneous genesis of the heavier hydrocarbons which comprise
natural petroleum occurs only in multi-kilobar regimes of high
pressures, as is shown in a following article. ... MORE HERE
"In
light of the extensive literature of modern Russian petroleum science,
questions inevitably arise among persons reading of it for the first
time: Why has there been nothing published on this body of knowledge
in the English-language (or American) journals which purportedly deal
with matters involving petroleum ? Why have there never been Russian
or Ukrainian petroleum scientists invited to address a meeting of,
e.g., the American Association of Petroleum Geologists (A.A.P.G.) ?
Why has there not been appointed to the faculty of a single department
of Earth sciences, at any university in the U.S.A., a petroleum
scientist competent to teach modern petroleum science ? In short, why
have persons in the U.S.A. never heard of this body of knowledge ? ~ Gas Resources Corporation"
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Posted by: Deeder
« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2006, 05:08:13 PM »
Congregator
If you think it is hard getting adults
to 'get it' you should have seen me explaining it to one of my 9 yr old
grandsons. Surprisingly, he grasped it pretty well. I used play
money  I didn't have any real stuff on hand. 
By the way, I am reading your articles a few a day, so it will take me forever.
Dede
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Posted by: Deeder
« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2006, 05:17:46 PM »
I heard of this sort of thing when I was much younger, but the petroleum companies and automakers don't want it to be done. I heard or read certain people such as Pogue even had their lives threatened.
Dede
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Posted by: theonlyhumanbeanAZ
« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2006, 12:16:42 AM »
Lots of adjectives and adverbs.
Substance??
Reader determined on Bean level...
Chick-LITE
Skoff.
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Obviously, the "bean" has reached the boiling point and can no longer tolerate this rational discussion.
Apparently, he missed the part where Russia has paid off the old Soviet debt to the world bank with the revenue from their abiotic petroleum products.
Actually, I think he was rather dumbfounded by the common sense expressed here and it took this long for him to catch his breath and respond with this typically colorful reply.
You can pick up the entire topic at Etherzone...
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