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My posts at Ether Zone in the context of this article.
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Niki wrote:
Holy cow! What a fantastic piece Bobby! Thank you. Awesome, I never put it all together like this... these are absolutely incredible quotes. What a gem you've created for us.
Niki Raapana
The Anti-Communitarian League
Reply:
Thanks for the accolades!
The quotes are only a small sampling from a Google search. I just tried
to find the context which provides the best fit in the true picture of
things. For me it really is becoming very clear. I'm amused by silly
childish efforts to merely "connect the dots" such as well known
figures like Jeff Rense and David
Icke have popularized. Connecting dots is mass entertainment for
the mass production of ignorance, in the style of the court jesters of
old. All the elements of truth are there, but the naive are only
occupied and entertained by the little stick figures which they can use
to impress their friends. In the words of Shakespeare (slightly out of
context), their's "... is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and
fury, signifying nothing."
Gary Novak wrote:
Bobby.
You are developing an important subject in an effective way. Communitarianism is out of view of most people. Your providing the quotes and source material is really valuable. Communitarians have an agenda for our lives. What makes them assume they should be the masters of our lives? Power psychologically conditions corrupt persons for domination and control. It seems almost automatic for dominating persons to take over the lives of others. They consider it to be a social responsibility. The Nazis were going to fix everyone's problems. As time goes on, the fixers acquire greater ability to take over the whole world.
The problem with all such designs is that they structure power for control
and domination. Corrupters take over all sources of power limited only by the truth which can be produced through systems of openness and accountability with the freedom and rights which allow people to function
with their own minds. The U.S. Constitution didn't create another power structure but a method of unstructuring power and replacing it with freedom.
Gary Novak
religion web site
http://nov55.com/rel/contents.html
Reader wrote:
Good article Bobby. I'll have to read it in more detail. so it
really sinks in...always in a rush lately. I wanted to ask you
something. It seems that when myself or someone else exposes say
something to do with lyme and biowarfare, etc...then after a while when
the idea catches on in the public mind and everyone is buzzing about
it, the government then comes out with the Truth in a partial way...for
example they are now admitting that certain labs and agencies are
studying the possibilities of lyme as a biowarfare agent. But...it's
only a partial truth. I think they are making it seem that this is a
new thought to make it appear that the pandemic we are now facing has
nothing to do with biowarfare because they are just beginning to look
at it concerning this angle.
What I want to do is write an article explaining this mechnaism
of deception. Do you know of any government documents or other works on
social manipulation that would be pertinent to this? I think you are
more on target as to memory and knowing where to find this type of thing
Thanks for all you do
Reply:
Your analysis is partially correct. There is that element of deception,
talking of plans while in fact there is historical evidence going back
decades. There is more. The whole spectrum of psychological warfare which is mind control is in play here. Much of your observation is
covered by what Micheal Hoffman calls "The
Revelation of the Method" (see Example).
When investigations get
too close to the truth, and at other strategic times, they simple admit
to what they are doing and monitor the results to calculate their next
move. So there is that going on.
"Explaining the mechanism of deception" is what I began trying to do
also, and I'm not sure what to add at this time to what I have already
written about it. Very early in my work I realized that I wouldn't be
able to explain anything without resorting to persuasion, so I studied
that for a while, and I have written extensively about the problems
with using persuasive argument . So, I try to avoid it to the extent
possible. My present understanding is that everyone has to do his own
research and discovery[*] of the truth, so that is my direction at the present time.
I was initiated so to speak in the art and practice of deception in the
US Air Force basic training in 1961. In that setting, one has no
contact with other units and limited contact with the outside world, so
I cannot say with certainty that everyone going through basic training
at that time received this particular curriculum of instruction, but I always
assumed that they did. Out of an eight week program, we spent at least one full
week on psychological warfare, and at the end of it, we all flunked
out during a live field test. I say flunked because not one in the
classroom of 40 had any clue to what we were experiencing during that
hour. It was terrifying, and the whole class was acting like a bunch of
babies, some actually in tears. The setting was very detailed in an
ordinary classroom with real time, real life activities both inside and
out on the street, by real people, but it was all faked.
You cannot experience anything like that and continue in your innocent
ignorance. Several days of intensive instruction had meant nothing,
although we had answered all the questions and we all made passing
grades, but when the real deal came, not one of us recognized what was
happening. Our sensory perceptions were proven entirely wrong. All the
truthful sounding words were most credible, but they were all lies. The
visual effects reflected very credible realtime events (no artificial
reality then) which agreed with the lies, and we were all convinced
that it was the absolute truth.
Maybe I should write a story about that experience, but if I did,
people would breath a sigh of relief at the end and say "Whee, nothing
like that will ever happen to me". But it does happen every day in living color.
Personal experience is the only thing of value that counts, and
everyone has to go get their own. If you find this discouraging, then I
have failed, but if you will meet the challenge then we both win.
You are getting the experience in real time, and you are ready to
accept that it is not true. If you apply that knowledge wisely, you
will discover the real truth about many things. (Proverbs 2: 1-15). One
very key requirement is to determine the proper perspective, or frame
of reference from which to view things. The next step is to test fit
all the facts of which you are aware into that reference frame. If you
find that something doesn't quite fit, you have some options. 1} You
may ignore the flaw (very dangerous). 2) rearrange things within that
reference frame and try for a better fit (best first option) or... 3)
look for a different frame of reference. This would be your last
resort, but don't hesitate to do it.
The proper order is the check and double check your facts. You can
never be totally comfortable with this. Next, arrange them to reveal
the "big picture". Be quick to recognize any flaws in the scene.
Realize that your frame of reference is heavily weighted with your
preconceived beliefs and opinions. You must be ready to abandon any or
all of that particular reference frame and be willing to work with a
new one.
Otherwise, you begin to spin out and you will go nowhere.
My communication
article may be the best I could recommend for
starters. It has many links to supporting documentation including "Framing Processes"
and how they are used against us. They present everything in a false
frame of reference and we have to straighten it out, or find a new
reference point. I will help you any way I can, and I look forward to
your article. I know you can do it.
Bobby
Reader wrote:
Bobby, I really appreciate what you are doing. I am pretty much
overwhelmed with all this. And the information is not easy (for me) to
wade thru and make sense. I am pluggin along with it, and determined
to see where the puzzle pieces fit to make the picture clear. But, all
said and done, does it make a bit of difference...? Its all gotta come
down-- prophecy will be fullfilled, and Time will go on. As these
things unfold it is extremely interesting to be aware of them, but
nothing can be changed, stopped or re-directed. Jehovah will still
guard his faithful ones, whether they know about this stuff in advance,
or not. If they don't see it coming I wonder if they are not even
better off than you and I who worry about it all. Ignorance is bliss,
they say. I know that since I have become aware of the magnitude of
this unbelievable masterful plan of Satan, I have lost sleep. We only
have x amount of time to draw close to Jehovah, to learn about him
thru the pages of the Bible,,,wouldn't we be better off just focusing
on that? thanks for thinking of me,,,I will check out the link.
Reply:
I understand your concerns because I have experienced them myself. In
my case, I needed to know the answers to my questions. Questions arise
from doubts created by obvious contradictions. We can ignore them or
deal with them. In my opinion, ignoring them could be very dangerous,
but more importantly there is a certain immorality in choosing
ignorance. However, only you can know what you need to do.
Questions are a proper mode of inquiry, but the method breaks down if
we fail to follow through to discover the answers. What is Jehovah's
view of that? Who can say what truths will be found? Think through the
process in which your questions arose. What beliefs were shaken by
those questions. Are you really satisfied to leave them unanswered?
How, what, when and why are important questions. I cannot imagine
Jehovah being displeased by our seeking answers.
The Bible tells us "Seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be
opened", "the truth will set you free", and "My people perish for lack
of knowledge". Also, it warns us of the danger of following "blind
guides". Does this all not suggest that it is an individual
responsibility to ask and discover answers to our questions?
Jesus said knowledge of him and his Father means life (John 17:3). I
would suggest study of the first two chapters of Proverbs, and compare
Matthew 13: 44-48. Also consider that millions of people of diverse
backgrounds, religions and traditions study the Bible for the purpose
of drawing close to God. If that is the extent of our obligation, then
I guess we are all in pretty good shape huh?
Warm Regards,
Bobby
Gary Novak wrote:
I see a lot of truth in it. Satan is trying to homogenize the world, because he cannot tolerate an iota of dissent. Any diversity allows dissent. He doesn't know that he can never get to that end point, because everything he does is by stimulus-response reaction. He doesn't have real goals or concepts. It's like thinking he can reduce biology to one tree and one animal.
While satan tries to get total control of the world, he needs to destroy all social structures, which of course is not possible, but he doesn't know it. He seems to be concerned about total global destruction, because he produces
a lot of propaganda against a nuclear holocaust. This is one of the central themes of his "alien abduction" scheme. Each time he releases abductees, he shows them imagery of a nuclear holocaust and tells them to go forth and prevent it. Alien abductions are very informative of his schemes.
Before material life began, satan had total control over a large number of spiritual beings. Material life inhibits that unlimited control. So satan is trying to get back to that point where nothing stands in his way. Of course, he can never get there again. In material life, it is not only physical laws but objective reality and rationality including truth which defeats him. That's why Christ's entire purpose was to testify to the truth (John 18:37).
Gary Novak
religion web site
http://nov55.com/rel/contents.html
Reply
Your analysis is mostly correct I believe, especially about material life being out of his reach. This is where the "world aspirants" as Alice Bailey called them, I call them "agents of the hierarchy", are vital to his purpose. Bailey claims to have gotten the her information from a Tibetan Master who never existed. It was in fact channeled through her from demonic sources, whatever that is. The point that needs to be understood here is that Bailey's writings, especially "The Plan" is universally accepted by the New Age movement. Bailey doesn't take credit for it and no one has the authority to refute it (within the movement that is). Whatever the real source, it is written in plain English from a Christian perspective, and often speaks of the Christ. Of course it isn't Christian, but Christians are so confused that the vast majority fail to recognize that. When "agents" bring the New Age agenda to Christianity, its an easy sell in many cases.
In other words, The Plan has developed a life of its own in objective reality thanks to Satan's human agents. They have the eyes and ears, and the ability to act most efficiently. Therefore, it is dangerous I think, to suppose weakness in Satan's abilities in the realm of physical objective reality.
You are correct that he needs to destroy "all social structures", but I would assert that it may be more possible than you think. That is precisely the purpose of The Plan, and the counter-cultural revolution which we identify with the 1960's set out to accomplish that very thing. It actually began much earlier, and I have a book in my library, "Social Disorganization" , first publish in 1934, which spells out the process in great detail. I doubt that it was pure coincidence that the counter-cultural revolution really started moving in the sixties. Externalization of the Hierarchy was published in 1957, but as I have pointed out, the world aspirants had the information immediately as Bailey wrote it. According to her, she actually began distributing her writings within a closed circle of "masters" as early as 1916.
It is common belief that the counterculture disappeared with the end of the Vietnam War, but the fact is, that presumed disappearance coincided with the agents of The Plan going public with the New Age Movement as it is presently known. "According to some secret instructions, the Movement was to keep out of the public eye until 1975."
My take on alien abductions is similar, but I believe that too is a "scheme" of agents of the hierarchy, but their concern for a nuclear holocaust is deceptive. Michael Donovan I think has a very credible explanation of the Cold War and the so called the nuclear threat, which he shows was also a giant hoax. The message to abductees to "go forth and prevent it" must be understood in that light. What has been the effect of that anti-nuclear message? We should consider that catastrophes such as Chernobyl and Three Mile Island may not have been so "accidental", but part of a "Framing Process" to destroy the energy industry, and introduce a needless dependence on oil, and the plethora of major disruptions which that caused to the hated "establishment".
We must think in these broad sweeping terms because The Plan after all, is to bring down the old established order and bring in Satan's utopian Brave New World. Small narrow thinking in traditional terms will not be able to comprehend it.
I do agree, whether Satan realizes it or not, that "Material life inhibits that unlimited control. So Satan is trying to get back to that point where nothing stands in his way. Of course, he can never get there again."
The Bible tells us that Satan's spirit associates (demons, Nephilim) were confined to "dense darkness" following the great Flood. I think the messages channeled to Blavatsky and Bailey (and perhaps others) signify the end of that confinement. I also see a congruity with other macro-events like the end of the "times of the Gentiles" and Satan's being "cast down" from the heavens, and his subsequent confinement to the vicinity of the Earth.
Of course he will fail because he is violating universal physical principles by attempting to control "material life" from his spirit existence. It cannot work, and he will be defeated when he is "bound" and cast into the "abyss". Whatever those terms actually mean, the action will deprive his human agents of their inspiration, and they will disperse into the crevices of the woodwork, for a "thousand years" whatever that means.
The point I wish to make is that we must focus on the developing picture and not be so concerned with the small details, which seems to be the domain of fundamentalist religions and their endless interpretations of prophecies, and "Bible Codes" in the fashion of the spiritistic practices of sooth sayers, and fortune tellers.
Gary Novak wrote:
Satan's ability to take over power structures is dependent upon how much openness and accountability exists within them. The power of truth is the only limitation to his ability to destroy human activities.
Consider what happened in the Catholic Church. I was a sophmore in college in 1965, when Vatical II occurred. I lived across the street from the Catholic student center, so I would usually go to church there on sundays. Few students did. The "Mass" was solemn and in Latin, about like entering the catacoumbs. Then one day, the altar was moved out, musicians were brought in, papers were distributed, while people sang folk songs. Students showed up in droves, lined up into the street. They were dancing in the isles, cellebrating a victory in war. It shows that a large part of society is fighting a covert war against the morality and God which true believers promote.
This indicates to me that the New Age movement is an attempt by such persons to synthesize an alternative to real religion.
It is certainly true that the large picture is being overlooked by a lot of persons who "strain out gnats and swallow camels". I see this happening outside religion as well as within. It is stunning that much of the media is produced by persons who assume the problems can be solved through trivial means, while they reject all of the basic truth that would be required to really solve problems.
Gary Novak
religion web site
http://nov55.com/rel/contents.html
Reply:
I appreciate your thoughts.
I was in northern Pakistan in 1965 only 5 miles from the Peshawar
Airport when the Indians were bombing it nightly for several weeks. I
was on assignment with the US Air Force Security Service. It was a
remote location, but I felt like I had a front row seat to the
counter-culture movement.
I would just like to emphasis that there are only two sides to the
issue which is sovereign control over the earth. There is only a small
minority, perhaps even a few who are actively placing themselves on
Gods side at this time (this will hopefully change). Everyone else is
to some degree and in some capacity, serving the cause of Satan's side,
the vast majority of them unwittingly due to self interests (deception
Rev 12:9) induced ignorance.
Agents of the hierarchy are individually unidentifiable for the most
part, but they can be and are "known by their works" and they number
into the millions as indicated by the evidence of their actions. Get an
idea of their size from the number of activists in all of the social
movements from the early feminist movement on. Every social institution
is packed with their presence. The media for example are not assuming
that "the problems can be solved through trivial means", but in fact fanning the
flames by creating the appearance that the solutions are trivial but
don't work, which adds to the frustration and confusion. This is by
design. They don't want real solutions.
On one of my research
pages, I commented:
The crescendo of chatter is becoming a roaring din
resembling a prophecy about our time. "Also,
there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth anguish
of nations, not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea
and [its] agitation, while men become faint out of fear and expectation
of the things coming upon the inhabited earth; for the powers of the
heavens will be shaken." — Luke 21: 25, 26. This prophecy is given in
metaphor, so we must make substitutions for the key words and phrases.
The "sea" is the Earth's people. The "powers of the heavens", are the
institutions of government (the powers that be) where people have
mistakenly placed their trust. The "roaring of the sea"
is the expressions of anxiety, frustrations, and fear of the people as
their way of life, and supporting institutions break down and collapse.
We don't need to speculate
as to what they hope to synthesize. They spell it out in the clearest
simple terms.
I have for years - ever since 1919 - sought to aid you to the
best of my ability. The Hierarchy (a name covering the working
disciples of all degrees) has for hundreds of generations sought to aid
humanity, and since the fifteenth century has steadily approached
closer to the physical plane [21] and sought to make a deeper impact on
the human consciousness. This has resulted in a recognition which has
in it (at this time) the seeds of world salvation. Until the fifteenth
century, the pull and the magnetic appeal was from the side of the
watching Elder Brothers. Today, so numerous are the inner and outer
disciples, and so many are the world aspirants, the pull and the
magnetic appeal are largely equalized, and what will happen in the
world unfoldment and in the recognitions by the races will be the
result of mutual interplay of the two intents (I am choosing my words
with care) - the intent of the Masters to help humanity, and that of
the world aspirants and disciples to aid in that helping.
Esoterically speaking, a point of contact, a moment of
"spiritual intercourse," is imminent, and out of that moment a new
world can be born.
If that can be brought about, then there can be re-established
on earth the condition which was brought to an end in earlier days,
when the Hierarchy (in order to further man's mental development)
withdrew behind the scenes for a period. If this spiritual contact can
be brought about, it means that the Hierarchy will no longer be hidden
and unknown, but will be recognized as present upon the physical plane.
This would at first be necessarily on a small scale, and the
recognition will be confined to the aspirants and disciples.
Increasingly the new group of world servers will be active in every
nation and found functioning throughout the entire world. ~ The
Present Urgency, October 10, 1934
Gary Novak wrote:
There are two important philosophical points which I noticed in the quasi revelation, presumably from Bailey.
"...when the Hierarchy (in order to further man's mental development) withdrew behind the scenes for a period."
They think they are enlightening people with their poison. This is like one of the demons being expelled, in the book "Hostage to the Devil", who refers to satan as "the lord of knowledge and light".
And notice that they withdraw behind the scenes to enlighten. They diffuse their knowledge through a fog, about like the stench from a garbage dump.
Christ said to look and listen (Mat 13:16)(Mark 8:18) (Luke 10:23,24 12:54,55) and judge for yourselves what is right (Luke 12:57). This is why material life was created--to replace the psycho fraud with stable reality which people can learn from. Christ created the basis for science by teaching people to find the evidence in objective reality as the way to get free from the frauds who try to take over peoples' minds.
Another interesting quote is (to be) "recognized as present upon the physical plane." Corrupters have a terrible need to come out of the closet with their values and purposes. It looks like this is one of the purposes of "crop circles." Satan needs to let people know that he is god, while he still needs the deniability of pretending that crop circles are created by "Doug and Dave" with a board.
Transparency exposes them as frauds, and they can't stand that. They think something unfair is going on. So they keep trying to defy truth and justice, not knowing what those things are.
Gary Novak
religion web site
http://nov55.com/rel/contents.html
Reply:
I completely agree
that Satan has no real power, but the people who serve his purpose do,
and they are responsible for a lot of objective reality.
Its important to realize that the New Age has something to offer
everyone. From spirituality to social and political expression. All
parts have a role either to distract, confuse, misdirect or mislead.
The objective is world government, and UN Agenda 21, Local Agenda 21,
and Communitarianism are the most powerful representations of the New
Age. Everything else is mostly a distraction. Environmentalism,
outsourcing of manufacturing, hate crime laws, the War On Terrorism,
and many other things are objective manifestations of the New Age Plan.
Its by design that people don't readily see the existing connections
between all these components of the New Age, but they are there and
they are verifiable.
Truth is indeed their great enemy, and if you study the purpose of
deception, you find that the truth is necessarily hidden, or covered
over. "DECEIVE
implies imposing a false idea or belief that causes ignorance,
bewilderment, or helplessness." The very fact that the people are generally
ignorant of the connections between the many manifestations of the New
Age Plan is verification of the reality of Satan's deception as stated
at Revelation 12:9.
Reader wrote:
On line and on time Bro. I think
back to the day when this type stuff was some darn hard reading (not many years
ago actually). The ones having insight – that prevail and act
effectively – are being empowered by the Lord Christ Jesus to catch wind
of the globalist plot to rule the world and then to fully understand the mechanisms of how they will achieve
it. YHWH and the King are fully aware of The Plan and are proving
themselves always one step ahead. A theory I have on how they do this
(one way anyway) is the use of advanced statistical models where they plug in
the variables (greedy wicked superhuman angels – greedy wicked human
agents – 6000 years of time and technological advancement ) – and viola!
Its evident that the flood curbed the first attempt at global domination, then
the tower of Babel incident. Had God not
stepped in millennia ago the satanic timetable would have accelerated –
offsetting the messianic timetable. Now is the time for the NWO to engage
to completion – because God allows it to happen and to reveal to his
servants (persons from all walks of life) to catch on.
Scriptures you site such as Ephesians 6:12,13 – makes
it obvious that an intense study of satan’s plans is Scripturally
supported. Paul also said things like “we are not ignorant of his
(satan’s) plans”. The rest will catch up someday as the Great
God lays it upon them to “see” something that piques their
interest. It’s the holy spirit “leading YOU into all the
truth” – “all – the – truth”.
Good work bro – you are ahead of the main pack –
and right up with the spirit that moves you.
Reply:
You make some good points. I too believe that statistical modeling will
prove to be one of their greatest problems. Using historical data to
project the future is nothing but a high tech method of fortune
telling. Evidence of its weakness is frequently seen but seldom
recognized in product failures such as the recent Ford/Firestone
problem, and many others which prompt recalls of manufactured products
(hamburger for example). This is caused by random sampling, and
statistical analysis of the failures among the samples. Some percent of
failure is always accepted in the test programs. They are willing to
accept a certain number of failures.
The problem is compounded when the numbers are fudged in order to
produce better reports to shareholders. Random sampling means that many
products are manufactured, packaged and sold without ever being
operated or touched by a human until you unwrap it at home, or mount it
on your car and drive it down the road. They get away with it by
warranties and/or making it more costly to complain than returning to
the store for an exchange.
When the Global Warming model breaks down, that will be a totally
different matter, and it is already failing. An increasingly admitted
fact is that the polar ice caps are growing deeper while they melt at
the edges. The reason is that warmer ocean temperatures send more water
into the atmosphere which comes down as snow on the polar ice caps.
Polar ice is increasing, not decreasing, and we are heading into
another ice age which normally happens about every 10 to 15 thousand
years. The next one is over due, and studies indicate that they come on
very fast, even in a matter of a few days. Evidence is found in the
frozen carcases discovered from previous cycles indicating a quick
frozen process.
That kind of dramatic action completely exposes the fraud upon which
the entire environmental sustainability program is built.
The Priesthood of Science,
Their GLOBAL WARMING HOAX EXPOSED
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